Comments on: Where I stand on blacklists http://canuckflack.com/2008/05/14/where-i-stand-on-blacklists/ ... it's about public relations, marketing, retail quirks, government communications and oddities ... and written in Canada! Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:46:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: John Cass http://canuckflack.com/2008/05/14/where-i-stand-on-blacklists/#comment-53844 John Cass Fri, 16 May 2008 03:49:41 +0000 http://canuckflack.com/2008/05/14/where-i-stand-on-blacklists/#comment-53844 I agree database providers should be providing accurate information. I think part of the issue is what information should the vendor’s provide, and how the information is used within their dashboards. As I am researching the industry I am starting to learn about its history. It seems that PR people send out blanket press releases. I cannot imagine why or how the journalists put up with this, bloggers definitely don't, hence all of the blacklists and posts in recent years. Some of the databases don't even list bloggers because they allow blanket press release issue. I don't think you are suggesting that I am crying foul, or are you? :-) Rather I'd just like to explore the process, and see if anything can be done. Based on your experience what would you suggest to improve the process? I agree database providers should be providing accurate information. I think part of the issue is what information should the vendor’s provide, and how the information is used within their dashboards. As I am researching the industry I am starting to learn about its history. It seems that PR people send out blanket press releases. I cannot imagine why or how the journalists put up with this, bloggers definitely don’t, hence all of the blacklists and posts in recent years. Some of the databases don’t even list bloggers because they allow blanket press release issue.

I don’t think you are suggesting that I am crying foul, or are you? :-)

Rather I’d just like to explore the process, and see if anything can be done. Based on your experience what would you suggest to improve the process?

]]> By: Colin http://canuckflack.com/2008/05/14/where-i-stand-on-blacklists/#comment-53804 Colin Thu, 15 May 2008 08:43:51 +0000 http://canuckflack.com/2008/05/14/where-i-stand-on-blacklists/#comment-53804 I don't really have a problem with your suggestion, John. Database providers SHOULD be peddling accurate information. The fact that people depend upon a database dump to target their pitches, however, should not be overlooked. You can't have an argument about "conversation," "outreach" and "relationships" when your first (and repeated) contact is based on someone else's (poor) work. Landing on a blacklist and then crying foul because your database provider made a mistake is kind of like failing a high school exam, then complaining that the class notes you bought to study for the exam were written by a moron. It also doesn't help that database maintenance, at providers and agencies, is often handed over to someone with very little experience or judgement. I don’t really have a problem with your suggestion, John. Database providers SHOULD be peddling accurate information.

The fact that people depend upon a database dump to target their pitches, however, should not be overlooked.

You can’t have an argument about “conversation,” “outreach” and “relationships” when your first (and repeated) contact is based on someone else’s (poor) work.

Landing on a blacklist and then crying foul because your database provider made a mistake is kind of like failing a high school exam, then complaining that the class notes you bought to study for the exam were written by a moron.

It also doesn’t help that database maintenance, at providers and agencies, is often handed over to someone with very little experience or judgement.

]]> By: John Cass http://canuckflack.com/2008/05/14/where-i-stand-on-blacklists/#comment-53798 John Cass Thu, 15 May 2008 04:36:05 +0000 http://canuckflack.com/2008/05/14/where-i-stand-on-blacklists/#comment-53798 okay, so what's the problem with asking database vendors to use some better practices? They might say no, or they might say yes. okay, so what’s the problem with asking database vendors to use some better practices? They might say no, or they might say yes.

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